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Graveyard Carz Fall 2015
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resq302
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Stu,
I was joking when I made that comment. If they go as far to restore a car that is so far gone, why can they not do the small things like putting the nose seal on there? I also agree with Moparnation74 with the comment of "Imagine all the errors / mistakes that you CAN NOT see!"
Don't get me wrong, making money is important. But so is turning out a quality product. Stuff like what is showing up after they let stuff out the door makes me very reluctant to have them touch anything of mine, (even if it is too far gone to bring back and they are the only ones who would touch it).
I was joking when I made that comment. If they go as far to restore a car that is so far gone, why can they not do the small things like putting the nose seal on there? I also agree with Moparnation74 with the comment of "Imagine all the errors / mistakes that you CAN NOT see!"
Don't get me wrong, making money is important. But so is turning out a quality product. Stuff like what is showing up after they let stuff out the door makes me very reluctant to have them touch anything of mine, (even if it is too far gone to bring back and they are the only ones who would touch it).
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I Talked to Mike several times During the weekend , He had three Superbirds there . But no i didnt get a chance to ask him if he was happy with it . I know its his driver car now so maybe he is ???
jamie
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These guys really should not be inside an engine.It looks like they know almost nothing.I have yet to see them do one of the most basic things on a new engine startup...prime the oil system.If they truly did this they would have found the problem before startup on tonight's show.I think they just let their motors rattle till they see pressure????
Cornpatch MO
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I am suspicious of anyone who will not give at least their general location. And don't give me that " to much personal information on the internet " BS........
4268Hemi
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After numerous private messages to return, saying the negativity was a minority here, I decided to jump back and take a look. Well, it seems that there is still the negativity from a select few, and the subject bothered me greatly so I decided to respond.
I'm not a fool, I understand that with any television show, people involved are going to get attention. This is especially true for the customers of the cars that are shown on the show. What troubles me is people who go to see a customer's car, and take photos to specifically glorify what he considers to be mistakes from the restoration shop (and over a year after it was restored mind-you) and then plaster them onto a forum to arose troops to his cause. Personally, I find this disgusting and I myself would never do it, even if I thought they were mistakes - and especially in light of the fact that the so-called "issues" he points to are either factory correct, caused by wear and tear, or modifications from the owner himself.
Here are photos of the Superbird that my camera-crew took the day it left the shop:
These gaps to me look no different than the survivor Superbirds below. In fact, if I understand correctly, to make these gaps thinner would require mudwork and personally, I would rather have the integrity of the metal support the beautiful paint job rather then bondo. That's just me.
The final two images show Mike's son thrilled and the original owner who saw the car brand new smiling with satisfaction. This car was restored over a year ago. That crack in the paint could have been caused by anything. If I walked up to my 2015 Dodge and took a picture of the crack on the back and then placed it into a thread about my car and how crappy it is, people will of course assume it came to me that way. What they won't know is a woman backed into my car while it was parked at a car wash. That crack wasn't there when it left the shop - so something happened to cause it over the course of the year they've owned it.
As far as the gaps go, here is a couple Superbirds. While these photos are not taken two inches away from the car, gaps can be clearly seen at a distance. The red one is claimed to be a survivor and the blue one is a confirmed factory survivor car. And oh look, the red one has decided to remove the rubber from the nose - of course if I were to be a negative individual, I could blame the restoration shop for that abomination.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is really a waste of my time, but I feel compelled to say it once again. What motive is there to bash and make defamatory remarks about not only a customers car, but to Graveyard Carz in general? Why is it that some of the car guys online look at something they think is wrong, immediately cast judgment and then persistently attempt to convince everyone they're right by only throwing out more assumptions, conjecture, and fourth truths - and doing so well knowing they have really no idea at all what they are looking at.
It's sad really and it's too bad that not enough people speak out in support of what went from a rust bucket to a beautiful Alpine White Superbird. If you have issues of the way it turned out, look at a factory survivor Superbird, or reference photos of when they were brand new. Decals were mis-aligned, overspray was horrid, nose-cone was a different color, Superbirds had a mandatory vinyl top to cover the shotty bodywork to put in the window plug.
It's like people hear Mark say he's the best in the world (not realizing of course the Mark says that as a gag - side note - he watches a lot of UK Office and Dave Chappelle) and some people immediately jump onto a band-wagon and try and discredit him - and they are in so much of a hurry to - they forget that A. GYC is a OEM Restoration shop by default. B. Customer is ultimately always right (meaning if the customer wants/pays for aftermarket, he does it. But he also does as little of it as he can. That means if an aftermarket engine is going in a car, it's built by a third party and just installed by GYC) and C. It's about taking a car that had no life at all and giving it life.
If that offends you. If that's the beverage you don't want to drink anymore. Then I can't assume what on Earth will make you happy. Geesh - I mean really. It's like someone brings you $997,999 dollars and you scolding them because it's not a million. The Superbird owner is happy. He drove the car 4,000 miles the day these photos were taken.
All I can say is lighten up and enjoy life more.
Anyways, I'm off to bed. As always, Mopar or No Car.
I'm not a fool, I understand that with any television show, people involved are going to get attention. This is especially true for the customers of the cars that are shown on the show. What troubles me is people who go to see a customer's car, and take photos to specifically glorify what he considers to be mistakes from the restoration shop (and over a year after it was restored mind-you) and then plaster them onto a forum to arose troops to his cause. Personally, I find this disgusting and I myself would never do it, even if I thought they were mistakes - and especially in light of the fact that the so-called "issues" he points to are either factory correct, caused by wear and tear, or modifications from the owner himself.
Here are photos of the Superbird that my camera-crew took the day it left the shop:
These gaps to me look no different than the survivor Superbirds below. In fact, if I understand correctly, to make these gaps thinner would require mudwork and personally, I would rather have the integrity of the metal support the beautiful paint job rather then bondo. That's just me.
The final two images show Mike's son thrilled and the original owner who saw the car brand new smiling with satisfaction. This car was restored over a year ago. That crack in the paint could have been caused by anything. If I walked up to my 2015 Dodge and took a picture of the crack on the back and then placed it into a thread about my car and how crappy it is, people will of course assume it came to me that way. What they won't know is a woman backed into my car while it was parked at a car wash. That crack wasn't there when it left the shop - so something happened to cause it over the course of the year they've owned it.
As far as the gaps go, here is a couple Superbirds. While these photos are not taken two inches away from the car, gaps can be clearly seen at a distance. The red one is claimed to be a survivor and the blue one is a confirmed factory survivor car. And oh look, the red one has decided to remove the rubber from the nose - of course if I were to be a negative individual, I could blame the restoration shop for that abomination.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is really a waste of my time, but I feel compelled to say it once again. What motive is there to bash and make defamatory remarks about not only a customers car, but to Graveyard Carz in general? Why is it that some of the car guys online look at something they think is wrong, immediately cast judgment and then persistently attempt to convince everyone they're right by only throwing out more assumptions, conjecture, and fourth truths - and doing so well knowing they have really no idea at all what they are looking at.
It's sad really and it's too bad that not enough people speak out in support of what went from a rust bucket to a beautiful Alpine White Superbird. If you have issues of the way it turned out, look at a factory survivor Superbird, or reference photos of when they were brand new. Decals were mis-aligned, overspray was horrid, nose-cone was a different color, Superbirds had a mandatory vinyl top to cover the shotty bodywork to put in the window plug.
It's like people hear Mark say he's the best in the world (not realizing of course the Mark says that as a gag - side note - he watches a lot of UK Office and Dave Chappelle) and some people immediately jump onto a band-wagon and try and discredit him - and they are in so much of a hurry to - they forget that A. GYC is a OEM Restoration shop by default. B. Customer is ultimately always right (meaning if the customer wants/pays for aftermarket, he does it. But he also does as little of it as he can. That means if an aftermarket engine is going in a car, it's built by a third party and just installed by GYC) and C. It's about taking a car that had no life at all and giving it life.
If that offends you. If that's the beverage you don't want to drink anymore. Then I can't assume what on Earth will make you happy. Geesh - I mean really. It's like someone brings you $997,999 dollars and you scolding them because it's not a million. The Superbird owner is happy. He drove the car 4,000 miles the day these photos were taken.
All I can say is lighten up and enjoy life more.
Anyways, I'm off to bed. As always, Mopar or No Car.
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440SportSatellite
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After I saw those pictures posted the other day I thought to myself, "didn't they drive that car cross country right after the resto?" You can't expect it to look like it was just restored after a cross country road trip, another year of driving and who knows what else they've done with the car.
Personally I hope you stick around 4268hemi, don't let the few people here that want to keep sharing their negative opinions of the show over and over run you off. This is really a great site with a lot of good people. I'm also enjoying the new shows a lot more than the older episodes, although last weeks had a lot of bs in the first 15-20 minutes of the show. I'm just happy to have a show I can watch and know I'll see cool mopars instead of another chevy build. BTW... please no more chevys on the show like the one last season. mopar or no car.
Thanks!
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so your saying just from driving the car across country all the body gaps went to **** ? wow Blame it on driving the car thats a new one , I didnt end mention the wing falling apart on the way home and having to be fixed at my buddys shop in st louis Missouri . You guys just keep digging a hole .
Also you are incorrect about the rubber nose seal , Graveyard cars either installed it backwards or installed the incorrect seal , its only suppost to bearly show down in the crack , not be front and center like a daytona . So im not suprised mike has eliminated it because it was totally wrong .
Also you are incorrect about the rubber nose seal , Graveyard cars either installed it backwards or installed the incorrect seal , its only suppost to bearly show down in the crack , not be front and center like a daytona . So im not suprised mike has eliminated it because it was totally wrong .
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Actually that's not what he said at all.
resq302
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Actually, Mark, this white superbird is just one example of the MANY vehicles that I have found to be sub par workmanship that has been turned out by your place. I saw some other vehicles of yours out at Carlisle this year and was not impressed. There was a red daytona that was out at Carlisle I think it was last year and while the owner said he was "happy" with the results, it seemed like it was done by a second rate collision repair shop.
Yes, the superbird might have been driven 4,000 miles, but my family drives our cars too after they have been restored. Dirt, paint chips, etc, are all expected to happen, however, workmanship still remains the same. Paint prep, body gaps, incorrectly restored things don't change with driving a car.
Yes, the superbird might have been driven 4,000 miles, but my family drives our cars too after they have been restored. Dirt, paint chips, etc, are all expected to happen, however, workmanship still remains the same. Paint prep, body gaps, incorrectly restored things don't change with driving a car.
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4268 Hemi, When i posted recently about GYC i said i was disappointed with the show. I am as I'm not into drama,however i understand its a TV show and must appeal to a vast audience. To be clear i was not knocking the owner nor anyone else. I know very little about these cars but i do know the guy who did my car is around 66 yrs old,he retired from GM after 30 years and he did repairs on new cars which were damaged. It was mostly lead work. A very talented man who can paint as well as do body,heavy collision work. Id say if he was younger and wanted to he could work at any shop. He told me all about older factory cars,door and hood gaps and things like misalignment of panels. Point was cars were not perfect. I was told the staff at GYC were very good and the shop was good to deal with by a guy who got his car restored there. He did have some things wrong which to his satisfaction were fixed but if i recall he seemed happy. I think the word here is happy. If your happy and satisfied thats all that counts.
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ok thats the way i took it ??
Quote After I saw those pictures posted the other day I thought to myself, "didn't they drive that car cross country right after the resto?" You can't expect it to look like it was just restored after a cross country road trip, another year of driving and who knows what else they've done with the car.
Its also interesting i have seen alot of factory original cars and never seen all the gaps this horrible , and the OE Gold Cars dont put gaps back like this .
moparnation74
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Brian, you may be shocked at my response. Your statement is very well stated above!
What I really enjoy about this thread is the "excuses" occuring from the representatives of the show.
When these cars were built from the factory they had issues...............
The owner was on a budget.............
The threads nitpick us............
Being the "Best" was a joke...............
Welcome to the digital age and BTW you guys are NOT the only ones that get picked on. Every car owner here has had their car dragged over the coals at somepoint.
resq302
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Wow! Thanks Moparnation74. :toothy10:
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As far as the statement that i drove 17 hours to Taladega Just to take close up pictures of this car to glorify my self here Is a ridiculous statement . I went there to have a blast all weekend and i did .
Saturday we had over 100 cars parked at Tim Wellborns Museum and just so happened my car got parked right smack in front of Mikes cars . We were there from 9 AM to 9 PM parked right there . I heard many people go by the car and make tons of comment . Once I heard these i got curious and had to go look . My goal here is not to put mark out of buisness , It is to make people aware and to get him to improve his quality controll and make a better simple check list . A simple check list before these cars leave his shop would solve 90 % of these issues . This isnt Over Hauling where they pump out a POS in a ( REALITY TV ) week .View attachment 286764
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On a side note Mike is a very ,very nice and Lucky man He owns three Superbirds His recent acqusition a Real Hemi car and famous Drag car . He also has a smokin hot Body Builder Wife .View attachment 286765View attachment 286766View attachment 286767
Saturday we had over 100 cars parked at Tim Wellborns Museum and just so happened my car got parked right smack in front of Mikes cars . We were there from 9 AM to 9 PM parked right there . I heard many people go by the car and make tons of comment . Once I heard these i got curious and had to go look . My goal here is not to put mark out of buisness , It is to make people aware and to get him to improve his quality controll and make a better simple check list . A simple check list before these cars leave his shop would solve 90 % of these issues . This isnt Over Hauling where they pump out a POS in a ( REALITY TV ) week .View attachment 286764
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On a side note Mike is a very ,very nice and Lucky man He owns three Superbirds His recent acqusition a Real Hemi car and famous Drag car . He also has a smokin hot Body Builder Wife .View attachment 286765View attachment 286766View attachment 286767
moparnation74
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Stu,
Car is beautiful as always:headbang:
Thats the part GYC is not getting. They seriously need to listen to the feedback and stop with the "game playing" and "grandstanding." Through time more of these "restored" cars have hit the show scenes. These cars have moved from reality TV and next to you at Talladega. When that happens. Then you remember all the claims Mark has made on the show. As a dedicated Mopar enthusiast. You then try to equate that to quality of the product in front of your eyes!
Shocking, Indeed!!!
Car is beautiful as always:headbang:
Thats the part GYC is not getting. They seriously need to listen to the feedback and stop with the "game playing" and "grandstanding." Through time more of these "restored" cars have hit the show scenes. These cars have moved from reality TV and next to you at Talladega. When that happens. Then you remember all the claims Mark has made on the show. As a dedicated Mopar enthusiast. You then try to equate that to quality of the product in front of your eyes!
Shocking, Indeed!!!
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"Holy **** Batman" did you see that Chartreuse Superbird - must be so fast it blew the top off!!! We gotta get one of those - Ok Robin get the Batmobile ready to go to Mecum at Kissimmee!
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How is it that Tony, who has won OE Gold, claims that the gaps can be even worse on factory cars and whose car was heavily referenced for this restoration? Remember, I'm just a Producer so I could be stupid about this.
I've quoted you saying above that GYC didn't even put one on. Then when I show you pictures that we did, you say:
And if by chance I showed you pictures showing you how that gap in the nose actually meets factory standards, I'd guess there would be some other accusation that you bring up.
If you really want to help GYC have better quality control - take close up pictures of the gaps on ten different survivor Superbird's to show how the factory did it better.
And great news, it looks like we're going to be shooting not one, but two more seasons in light of how well we're performing this season.
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How is it that Tony, who has won OE Gold, claims that the gaps can be even worse on factory cars and whose car was heavily referenced for this restoration? Remember, I'm just a Producer so I could be stupid about this.
I've quoted you saying above that GYC didn't even put one on. Then when I show you pictures that we did, you say:
And if by chance I showed you pictures showing you how that gap in the nose actually meets factory standards, I'd guess there would be some other accusation that you bring up.
If you really want to help GYC have better quality control - take close up pictures of the gaps on ten different survivor Superbird's to show how the factory did it better.
And great news, it looks like we're going to be shooting not one, but two more seasons in light of how well we're performing this season.
I was not the only one pointing out the gap , I only went over and looking at the car after hearing several other wing car owers complain . I stand by my statement these gaps are horrible , if thats the way Graveyard cars wants to send there cars out , then im just posting it for the world to see up close , If the bird left the shop with those seal in there again they are wrongly installed , and anyone involved with wing cars would have spotted that in a minute . Mark owned a superbird in the past and should know that . So if i said previously he didnt install a seal i was wrong and apologize . It was installed wrong or the wrong seal altogether so i assume Mike pulled it out because everyone can tell how wrong it is right off .
Oh and good news is ive been a member of this site since day one when it started , and I wont be leaving it anytime soon .
