Legal issue with VIN on a B-J car today?

[eldubb440]

But as you probably know body shops use used parts to repair cars every single day sometimes even clipping and re-bodying them.

we are on the same page here........ car and truck bodies have been repaired with other car and truck bodies since the first model T's rolled off the line.......there is an entire "used parts" industry that exists to support it

 

[padam]

we are on the same page here........ car and truck bodies have been repaired with other car and truck bodies since the first model T's rolled off the line.......there is an entire "used parts" industry that exists to support it

But it’s important that the parts come from legitimate sources.
That’s why when you buy a body part from pull apart they put the vin on the receipt.

Is it possible anyone on this forum HASN’T seen the original Gone in 60 Seconds?

 

[WileE]

How about everyone involved knew well in advance of this car's issues and the auction of said car was nothing more than a well orchestrated and staged drama?

I didn't know this was going to be an episode of graveyard carz ?

 

[gtx6970]

The video made it sound like they pulled the tags BEFORE it sold.

they did

 

[eldubb440]

imo, the "powers that be" could find "issues" with half the restored cars out there if they choose to....... there are very few actual "survivors"

 

[kiwigtx]

The vin in the BJ add doesn't match the one that's been posted.
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At the bottom right...
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Also states bonded title, title in transit. (Bottom of page)
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Looks to me like the VIN tag was removed with the dash out of the car - and the rivets were carefully released from behind. When the dash was put back in the car the 'restorer' simply used some black silicone or urethane to glue it back in place.

Another thought - can anyone prove this car is not a 're-named' Sport Satellite, or Satellite model car? Not hard to clone for those who have a reasonable amount of knowledge or ability. The original GTX car might have been well rotten years ago, and this is its replacement....also not legal of course.

 

[YY1]

The vin in the BJ add doesn't match the one that's been posted.
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At the bottom right...
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Also states bonded title, title in transit. (Bottom of page)
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That looks like an "AZ" state issued VIN.

 

[eldubb440]

Another thought - can anyone prove this car is not a 're-named' Sport Satellite, or Satellite model car?

burden of proof is on the accuser..... prove it's NOT a GTX

here's a tip for anyone wanting to rebody a car........... cut the donor body into several pieces and weld it all back together; then it appears to be a collection of parts from various cars

 

[Under Pressure]

JMO, but I think maybe it became suspect to some well trained mopar eye that the numbers are too far left. I thought dash plates were done in a type of jig and not manually like body parts were?

 

[YY1]

That was brought up earlier in the thread...
...and someone produced another tag made like this one.

 

[torredcuda]

JMO, but I think maybe it became suspect to some well trained mopar eye that the numbers are too far left. I thought dash plates were done in a type of jig and not manually like body parts were?
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Many years ago I worked with an older guy who had a great saying "You can try to idiot proof things as much as you want but an idiot will always find a way to screw it up". Even if it was done in a jig I bet there was some way the operator could make it look like this one.

 

[gtx6970]

Looks to me like the VIN tag was removed with the dash out of the car - and the rivets were carefully released from behind. When the dash was put back in the car the 'restorer' simply used some black silicone or urethane to glue it back in place.

Another thought - can anyone prove this car is not a 're-named' Sport Satellite, or Satellite model car? Not hard to clone for those who have a reasonable amount of knowledge or ability. The original GTX car might have been well rotten years ago, and this is its replacement....also not legal of course.

cordless dremel tool would make short order of the rivets

 

[DeltaV]

Is it possible anyone on this forum HASN’T seen the original Gone in 60 Seconds?

Yes, I have not seen it. I'm serious.

Is it worth watching?

 

[gtx6970]

IMO the dealer that sold it figured out the title / vin issues after they bought it off BAT. And decided to get rid of it fast.

 

[gtx6970]

Yes, I have not seen it. I'm serious.

Is it worth watching?

Yes, just dont expect a high quality film compared to todays films

 

[gtx6970]

That was brought up earlier in the thread...
...and someone produced another tag made like this one.

The offset numbers wouldnt be a huge concern for me AS LONG AS the vin matched the numbers stamped in the body.(( which they dont ) And there were no signs of foulplay such as welded in body sections

I was at BJ last year and there were at least a half dozen Mopar cars there with missing vin tags and a new AZ state assigned number riveted to the A pillar opening

 

[torredcuda]

The ad on BAT - "This GTX was purchased by the seller in 2024 and is now offered with a clean California title in the seller’s name."

 

[khryslerkid]

Rocket Restorations talks about what happens at BJ when Dave Wise inspects a car. This was almost a year ago.

 

[YY1]

The offset numbers wouldnt be a huge concern for me AS LONG AS the vin matched the numbers stamped in the body.(( which they dont ) And there were no signs of foulplay such as welled in body sections

I was at BJ last year and there were at least a half dozen Mopar cars there with missing vin tags and a new AZ state assigned number riveted to the A pillar opening

Interesting.

 

[padam]

Yes, I have not seen it. I'm serious.

Is it worth watching?

The opening sequence is all about the main characters removing the VIN from a wrecked Challenger and swapping it over to a stolen Challenger (IIRC, I watched a crappy copy and it was hard to follow.) Since the movie was made in the ‘70s these were just contemporary cars and nothing special. Just an insurance/stolen car scam.