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My 69 Coronet project

Moving along

The K member and front suspension had been finished for about a year, finally time to dig out of storage. With Maria's cousins' help we got the Firm Feel power steering box on (Stage III rebuild), clocked it, and added the rotors and calipers. The rotors are slotted and drilled "big brakes", comparable to late 70's Corbodas. The K member has been boxed and painted with high gloss black POR 15.

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Dropped the K onto a dolly; the plan is to install the drive train from underneath the front of the car.
 
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Woo-hoo. ..... somebody is getting close to adding a motor!!!
 
Cool progress!

I did just what you are doing, and it is the ONLY way to go. SO much easier and faster than putting the engine in from the top. Make sure you bolt up starter, headers, power steering pump, alternator, A/C, etc. Get it all set as it is much easier to do when you are not hanging over a fender.

Also note that my engine and tranny combo did not want to sit level on my K-member. The K-member had a tendency to tilt up in the front. I dealt with this with a highly sophisticated block of wood between the front pulley and K-member. You may not have the same issue as me, but just take your time and be careful with the setup and how you support the whole assembly.

Rock on!
 
Thanks Hawk. I remember seeing the pics of your setup. My plan was to have a second dolly behind the K, most likely using an old tire to support the tranny.

And i will bolt everything to the engine before install. On that note I'd appreciate your comments: the engine builder is going to break in the engine on his engine stand with the carb installed. My thought was to drop the engine in the car with the carb. Complete the install, including the dash, and pre-wire for the FI. I figure installing the engine the way it came off the engine stand reduces the number of variables if and when I have to troubleshoot. After the engine fires up, then convert to the FI. Because the ECU is integral with the throttle body only the power wire and hand-held cable are passing through the firewall. What are your thoughts?
 
Thanks Hawk. I remember seeing the pics of your setup. My plan was to have a second dolly behind the K, most likely using an old tire to support the tranny.

Yeah, you will definitely need to support the back too. Note though that the motor mounts are actually towards the rear of the K-Member. On my setup, this rotated the front upward. I think you will be OK because it looks like your dolly setup is better than what I had. Just load the engine slowly and watch out for that when you install it...

And i will bolt everything to the engine before install. On that note I'd appreciate your comments: the engine builder is going to break in the engine on his engine stand with the carb installed. My thought was to drop the engine in the car with the carb. Complete the install, including the dash, and pre-wire for the FI. I figure installing the engine the way it came off the engine stand reduces the number of variables if and when I have to troubleshoot. After the engine fires up, then convert to the FI. Because the ECU is integral with the throttle body only the power wire and hand-held cable are passing through the firewall. What are your thoughts?

I think this makes sense. However, you likely will need to install a separate temperature sensor (at least I did). On mine, I used a plug in the water pump, and it was a bitch to get out. You should probably do this (if needed) before the install...

The plug and new hardware.
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Finally got it out after using heat and wax.
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Here you can see both the original and new sensors (both are still used on my car, one for the FAST system and one for my gauges).
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If I recall correctly, you are using your original distributor, so you don't need to worry about computer controlled distributor stuff.

So bottom line: Makes good sense to me, just check on any sensors your FI might need and work to install them. The only exception might be your O2 sensor, since you only want that installed if it is on (they need to be heated to keep them from getting clogged).
 
10-4 on lowering the engine on to the dollies. There will be several guys with me during the operation.
I'm going to use both temp sensors too; bought a new aluminum water pump and housing so it shouldn't be hard at all to swap them out. I'm running a Pertronix distributor; another reason I swapped the FAST for FiTech. Because the Pertronix doesn't have a tach output it was incompatible with the FAST; works with FiTech though. BTW, the FCC came in; check out my FiTech thread.
Good point on the O2 sensor; Ron's going to weld up the bung and I'll have to cap it until I'm ready to swap.
 
Very COOL . . . I know how good that will feel as I just got my engine installed in my car last weekend . . . Great progress ! ! !

Thanks Kahn. I've been following your build and MAN!, you've got it going on. I'm going to have to red-neck engineer my install too, using the front bumper brackets and a cherry picker. But I'll have a committee helping me.
 
Keeping busy while waiting on the engine. Talked to my builder earlier this week and he's knee deep into the rebuild, so maybe next weekend. In the meantime there's still a pile of parts that needs painting and since the weather is cooperating I knocked some things off the list. The motor mount brackets were dirty and decrepit so I stripped them down to metal and applied POR 15. While the POR was out I went back to the SFC's and painted the insides. I had to grind on them to align better with the chassis floor, but even so I don't think we'll be able to get a full bead around the perimeter so the inside needed protecting.
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All painted up
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Wound up painting the SFC all in POR. I let the edges bare for welding.
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BTW, I'm having to chop up my posts into small pieces because I have a crappy ISP. My upload speed is pathetic. Looking at alternatives.
 
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Nice to see you are still making progress!

I finally got my act together and built you the small wiring piece you wanted. Here is a picture of the electrical “OR” circuit. I’ll put it in the mail to you on Monday.
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For those of you wondering what the heck it is and why it is needed:
It didn’t/doesn’t take much electrically to start and run our cars. To START the car, you need power to the coil as well as power to the starter. Once it is running, you need power to the coil. That’s it – pretty basic.

Note: Wiring colors described below are for my 1970 Plymouth Road Runner. I do not know how much other cars and other years changed.

On a stock car, the key “START” position powers a brown wire that connects to the firewall. It connects to the “Q” position as shown in the FSM. From the engine compartment of the car, this is the middle connector, bottom row, second from the right. This brown wire continues in the engine compartment and connects to the coil side of the ballast resistor. So basically, when the key is in the START position, the coil gets full 12Volt power through the brown wire. Note that there is also a Yellow wire that connects to position “T” as shown in the FSM. As viewed from the engine compartment, this is the bottom connector, top row, second from right (just below “Q”). This wire continues to the starter relay and ultimately triggers the starter.

Once you let go of the key and it returns to the “RUN” position, a Dark Blue wire is powered. This dark blue wire powers a number of things that normally have power in the run position. From a coil perspective, it connects to the firewall at position N as shown on the FSM. As viewed from the engine compartment of the car, this is the middle connector, bottom row, left-most connector. This dark blue wire continues in the engine compartment and connects to the ballast resistor upstream of the coil. So in the RUN mode, the coil gets powered by voltage as reduced by the ballast resistor.

So with the stock setup is in the START mode, the brown wire is hot and the Dark Blue wire is not. In the RUN mode, the dark blue wire is hot and the brown wire is not.

The problem you run into is if you add something like fuel injection. This system needs power in BOTH the start and run modes, since it must be active to start and run the car. But there is no wire in the stock setup that is powered in both the START and RUN positions. That is where the electrical “OR” circuit comes into play.

The electrical OR circuit contains diodes so it does not back feed other systems. One side of the “Y” (either red connector) should be connected to the brown start wire, and the other red connetor should be connected to the Dark Blue run wire (or other suitable wire that is hot during the RUN mode). The single blue connector is then powered in both the START and RUN modes - this should be used to power a switched lead that tells the fuel injection to turn on. Note that you may also need to power other coil related systems with it too. In my case, I also had to power my MSD box to provide power to my coil. The important thing is this electrical OR circuit is not meant for high power applications – it is meant to power relatively low power switched signals. The benefit to using this over relays is that there are no moving parts, and it takes up almost no space. It will use about a half volt of power, but that has not been a problem for me.

In my case, my brown wire was not used, since my MSD system powers my coil as needed – I don’t have a ballast resistor any more either. I simply slipped the brown wire out of the bulkhead connector at the firewall and used that end to power one side of my electrical OR circuit. For the run position, here are lots of powered wires to choose from. Note that in some cases you can connect to an unused connector like the headlights on buzzer if you don’t have that option enabled. This avoids any non-stock splices in your under dash wiring system.

Good luck with the install – let me know if you have any questions!

Hawk
 
Thanks Kahn. I've been following your build and MAN!, you've got it going on. I'm going to have to red-neck engineer my install too, using the front bumper brackets and a cherry picker. But I'll have a committee helping me.

Thanks CoronetDarter . . . trying to knock it out one task at a time . . .

I had a committee too for my drop in . . . it was Me, Myself, and I doing the engine drop in . . . we work very well together ! ! ! LMAO
 
Thanks a million Hawk. Your understanding of Ma's electrical system and how you engineer it to your advantage amazes me. And I checked the FSM and my 69 wiring is the same color coding as your 70.

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Thanks CoronetDarter . . . trying to knock it out one task at a time . . .

I had a committee too for my drop in . . . it was Me, Myself, and I doing the engine drop in . . . we work very well together ! ! ! LMAO
And you get all the beer to yourself after you're done!
 
CoronetDarter your PM box is too full to reply to your question about steering column.

So, here is my reply:

The top bearing was good so I just left it in. That was a relief since I couldn't find one at the time.

I didn't follow the service manual to disassemble the column. Doing so, I almost ruined the plastic inserts that are part of the collapsible column. So, be careful.

I bought my lower bearing from hemieddy for $89. He still has one left.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-1969-A-B-C-Body-Steering-Column-Lower-Bearing-/291009271172?hash=item43c1811584

Jim's has one for $109. Seems like they are all around $100.
 
Thanks for the speedy reply. To your point, if I can't source the correct tool then the steering shaft is staying in. I mainly wanted to take it apart for ease of painting since I'm going from saddle tan to black, but if I have to tape everything off instead then so be it. Since yesterday I found a lower bearing at Monicatti Chrysler; my steering shaft has the 2 bolt design, which they have. And yeah, they're not cheap.
 
Sounds like a deal.

I took mine apart and had it media blasted. Then I primed and painted all the parts. I used Detail Gray for the "bare metal" look on the shaft and coupler.
 
That was pretty cool of Hawk to throw that together for you, clever use of diodes to achieve a simple task...... motorheads always figure out a way haha!!! Looking forward to seeing this one laying some rubber and terrorize the streets, soon enough.
 
Sounds like a deal.

I took mine apart and had it media blasted. Then I primed and painted all the parts. I used Detail Gray for the "bare metal" look on the shaft and coupler.

That's the way to go. I'd like to do something like you but I'm hesitant to pop out the column without the correct tool for the reasons you mentioned. At the very least I'm rebuilding the coupler, and sanding and painting.
 
That was pretty cool of Hawk to throw that together for you, clever use of diodes to achieve a simple task...... motorheads always figure out a way haha!!! Looking forward to seeing this one laying some rubber and terrorize the streets, soon enough.

No doubt Hawk is ingenious and he has been coaching me from afar. Stopped off at the builders this week to drop off the flexplate and it's nearing the final turn. Heads have been ported, recip assy balanced. Engine is being assembled as we speak.
 
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