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4spEd

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So I decided to check my gas mileage. Guess I should have never checked. 440 10:1 mild cam, 727, 3.73 gear, 28" tires, quickfuel 750 with vacum secondaries, stock heads, in a 69 charger. No wot as I'm still breaking in. I have awideband and its around 13 at idle and cruising steady rate. 60mi 12.88 gallons

Do you think i should get better mileage?

Either way I will get to know my local gas attendand really well.
 
If it was me, >I'd< be complaining. :)

My stock 440 with 3:54 rear and four speed was 12-14 mpg. with average driving just going to work and back.
 
Wow, not even sure how that is possible! Should be aiming for close to 14.7:1 AFR while cruising (close as meaning, prior to drive-ability problems).
 
I am double checking with my next fillup, maybe I wrote the numbers wrong. I will now tomorrow as I will drive till close to E as I want to breakin engine and rear gears as quickly as possible.
 
Oh failed to see you are still breaking it in. What type of ignition system? Plug gap?
 
A properly tuned 440 in a B Body should get 12-14 MPG at the least. Make sure your initial timing at idle is 15 to 20 degrees advanced. 36 to 38 total. There is something wrong in your tuning. What do you have initial advance set at? And are you using vacuum advance?
 
A properly tuned 440 in a B Body should get 12-14 MPG at the least. Make sure your initial timing at idle is 15 to 20 degrees advanced. 36 to 38 total. There is something wrong in your tuning. What do you have initial advance set at? And are you using vacuum advance?


The carb and distributor are FBO. 18 inital, 34 total and yes I'm using vacum advance. The more i think about it, it has to be an error in my record keeping.

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Oh failed to see you are still breaking it in. What type of ignition system? Plug gap?

The plug gap is .040, ignition is MSD Streetfire, with distributor and carb from FBO.
 
I think it's horrible. I've got mild 422" small blocks getting 4 times that. 496" getting 3 times that. If you have a wideband - what does it pull at light throttle cruise? It should be close to 15:1. Is that a total of 34 with the vacuum, or without? Is that manifold vacuum source, or ported for the advance? What is the vacuum level at idle?
 
Around 13 light cruise, 34 is without vacuum. The vacuum is full manifold vacuum.
15" at idle.
 
Somethings definitely wrong, either your tuning or your math. My uncles old 28' motorhome with a 440 gets better mileage than that and he's towing a boat.
 
Somethings definitely wrong, either your tuning or your math. My uncles old 28' motorhome with a 440 gets better mileage than that and he's towing a boat.


I think it's the math i will burn a tank tomorrow and recheck.
 
Ok - what does the engine pull for vacuum at light throttle cruise? How much more advance does the advance add? At what vacuum level does the pot advance? Are you certain the speedo is correct for the gearing and tires you have? What camshaft and torque convertor do you have?
 
Ok - what does the engine pull for vacuum at light throttle cruise? How much more advance does the advance add? At what vacuum level does the pot advance? Are you certain the speedo is correct for the gearing and tires you have? What camshaft and torque convertor do you have?

Dont know what part throttle vacuum is. Vacuum advance is 10 at 16". Speedo is correct, compared with Gps. 2800 converter from A & A 22312LSXHD 3000/3400,

Cant find cam specs they are at work but its a knock off of comp 270h.
 
Kind of useless to try and check mileage until the motor is fully broken in. Was the initial break-in on that tank of gas (2,000-2,500 RPM for 20-30 minutes without going anywhere?
 
New numbers are in 9mpg. I think crusing at 3000rpm at 60ish is really hurting the mileage.
That's a little more like you can expect on a brand new rebuild with that combo. The 3.73 gear is pretty tall for highway speeds with the 727. I'm running a 440, 727, with a 3.23 and getting about 13 mpg at freeway speed in my Belvedere.
 
New numbers are in 9mpg. I think crusing at 3000rpm at 60ish is really hurting the mileage.

Mpg should be ignored during break in. You need to keep varying engine speeds, don't maintain steady rpm at any time. Engine braking is good for seating the rings. Don't cruise, basically.
 
Mpg should be ignored during break in. You need to keep varying engine speeds, don't maintain steady rpm at any time. Engine braking is good for seating the rings. Don't cruise, basically.

The engine is broken in but I swapped new gears in rear just as I completed engine breakin, so now im into breaking in the rear, after that I can finally start tuning.
 
I am double checking with my next fillup, maybe I wrote the numbers wrong. I will now tomorrow as I will drive till close to E as I want to breakin engine and rear gears as quickly as possible.

I sure hope that you crunched those numbers wrong. A stock 440 with a 3.23 would get 13 mpg hwy, 10-11 city when new.
I got 13 mpg from my improperly tuned 493 on a road trip 2 years ago.
The 3.73 gears do get you spinning though!
 
Glad the numbers went up, but they are still way low IMO. As a "for instance" - the 496 is in an E body, 3.23s, and 2800 convertor. He gets in the mid-teens with it, and that's cruising at 75 on reproduction bias plies.
The rings will be seated before the cam is fully broken in if the engine was machined properly and moly coated rings were used. If the bore finish was too rough, or std iron faced rings were used, it will take a few hundred miles to break in.
The cam is not large for a 440. I used to run the actual 270H in a small block 340 and had to pass emissions yearly with it. It's mild. I think, with the open chamber heads, it doesn't have enough lead and I'm sure the carb can be tweaked better. I am not a fan of the FBO setup or curves. I know, some love it and it works well for them and he preaches well, but I don't like it myself. Especially when it comes to tuning the carb at idle and transitions. If you have it, work with it. I'd add another 2-4° initial, and another 2-4° centrifugal and make sure it's coming in faster enough to be "all in" by your cruise rpm. Once the timing is set, the carb will need to be tuned. You will want to tape a vacuum gage plumbed to manifold vacuum to the windshield and go for a drive. Jot down the readings at idle in gear, at light throttle cruise, and at part throttle acceleration as you'll need the figures to choose the internal parts.

Edit: You also want to make sure the alignment is correct, and that the tires are aired up to within 2psi of their max pressure on the sidewall. Most tire shops only fill to 30psi, and a lot of modern tires are supposed to go higher. Soft tires will kill mileage quick.
 
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