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Would a 71 B Body out handle a 2018 BMW M3?

While beating a Z06 is an achievement, I used to beat up on 911's with a 2 liter 914 at PCA events. It wasn't because the car was faster, it was because I had (at that time) 15+ years of track experience and the 911 drivers didn't. Now if the same guy was driving the Z06 and the Valiant and the Valiant was still faster, that would be impressive.
It was close. There was a club racer at the track with a Z06 and he could hold off Tim most of the time, but if Tim was in front he could also hold off that Z06. Both cars were around 3400 lbs with driver and both had a hair over 500 hp. Tim's Valiant would hit 160 mph on the front straight so he could pass most cars.
 
It was close. There was a club racer at the track with a Z06 and he could hold off Tim most of the time, but if Tim was in front he could also hold off that Z06. Both cars were around 3400 lbs with driver and both had a hair over 500 hp. Tim's Valiant would hit 160 mph on the front straight so he could pass most cars.
160mph at PIR (Portland, Or) with the Festival Turns (now turns 1,2,3) in place? That's an impressive number. It's not bad even without turns 1/2/3 in operation.
 
160mph at PIR (Portland, Or) with the Festival Turns (now turns 1,2,3) in place? That's an impressive number. It's not bad even without turns 1/2/3 in operation.
Yes, with the festival turns in place. Car had big brakes. We fitted it with redrilled Viper brakes originally and then switched to a Baer 6P setup later on. Bottom picture is Tim coming thru the Festival Turns at PIR.

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It was close. There was a club racer at the track with a Z06 and he could hold off Tim most of the time, but if Tim was in front he could also hold off that Z06. Both cars were around 3400 lbs with driver and both had a hair over 500 hp. Tim's Valiant would hit 160 mph on the front straight so he could pass most cars.

Thanks for clarifying. I couldn't remember the exact details from 10+ years ago.

BTW, the small block stroker buildup on that car was covered in 1 (2?) issues of Mopar Muscle magazine written by AndyF (and built by AndyF).... R-block, 4" stroker, Edelbrock based heads, Dougs headers, milodon road race pan, and more.

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/mopp-1106-1968-plymouth-valiant-427-engine-swap/

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If enough money were spent, you could get the 71 B to outhandle almost anything.
 
Thanks for clarifying. I couldn't remember the exact details from 10+ years ago.

BTW, the small block stroker buildup on that car was covered in 1 (2?) issues of Mopar Muscle magazine written by AndyF (and built by AndyF).... R-block, 4" stroker, Edelbrock based heads, Dougs headers, milodon road race pan, and more.

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/mopp-1106-1968-plymouth-valiant-427-engine-swap/

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Yeah the engine in Tim's car was a 427 inch SB with fully ported Edelbrock heads. It had a small cam and a small carb since it was a street driver with 2.94 rear gears. It made more torque and more hp than a Viper engine so that was good, but it wasn't at its potential. His car really needed a 5 speed transmission. With a 5 speed he could've gone with deeper rear gears and we could've put a bigger cam and carb on it and moved the power curve up a bunch. It was just super hard coming up with a combination that would pull 160 mph on the top and still be able to drive to work.

He did beat a ton of cars at the track including Vipers, Vettes, etc. but they were not driven by skilled drivers. The skilled drivers in good cars were a little tougher to get around, especially in club racing where fender rubbing is strictly prohibited.
 
Yeah the engine in Tim's car was a 427 inch SB with fully ported Edelbrock heads. It had a small cam and a small carb since it was a street driver with 2.94 rear gears. It made more torque and more hp than a Viper engine so that was good, but it wasn't at its potential. His car really needed a 5 speed transmission. With a 5 speed he could've gone with deeper rear gears and we could've put a bigger cam and carb on it and moved the power curve up a bunch. It was just super hard coming up with a combination that would pull 160 mph on the top and still be able to drive to work.

He did beat a ton of cars at the track including Vipers, Vettes, etc. but they were not driven by skilled drivers. The skilled drivers in good cars were a little tougher to get around, especially in club racing where fender rubbing is strictly prohibited.

Where the heads on Tim's Valiant the Edelbrock castings that someone were machined to be a T/A offset rocker setup? And got rid of intake push rod pinch.
 
Where the heads on Tim's Valiant the Edelbrock castings that someone were machined to be a T/A offset rocker setup? And got rid of intake push rod pinch.
No, they were what Hughes called a Stage 3 port. I think it was before they started doing the "big mouth" head or else we would've gone that way.

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That's an awesome car !!! Most have had a much rougher life than that.

Would love to have him bring it down to Spring Fling Speed Festival and run it at Willow Springs.

I think that Willow Springs is a little more friendly for a racecar like that.
The guy who owns that car lives in the area. The car is complete but I don't think it has run in many, many years. It just sits in the garage. I tried to get him to get it fired up and on a trailer so we could take it to PIR for a club day. I think it would be wild to see that thing out running laps. But he just never wanted to spend the time to get it going again.
 
That's an awesome car !!! Most have had a much rougher life than that.

Would love to have him bring it down to Spring Fling Speed Festival and run it at Willow Springs.

I think that Willow Springs is a little more friendly for a racecar like that.
If you look in the background you can see an original MW race car. I think it is an aluminum front end car but I'm not positive. It has been a few years since I took these pictures.
 
If you look in the background you can see an original MW race car. I think it is an aluminum front end car but I'm not positive. It has been a few years since I took these pictures.

I'd take a very good guess it's a aluminum nose MW knowing that owner.

So the blue Charger racecar has been sold since that pictures and it's down in So Cal-ish area? Or still of in PIR area.
 
A guy from the SF bay area owned the Red Brick Valiant for awhile. I think he was on Moparts under the name "Redmist" but I'm not certain.
A guy from the Sacramento/Davis area owned it for a short time. He brought it to at least one of our club meetings of the Capital City Mopars. He admitted that the car was too extreme to drive on the street and didn't have it very long.
 
Thanks for clarifying.

Did you have to machine the blocks extra lower head bolt bosses for header clearance?

That was the "Repro 340 block", correct?
It was a 340 reproduction block. We had to a lot of machine work on the block. I had to custom build a set of fixtures so we could hold the block in a vertical mill. Machining the block became a project within the project.

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A guy from the SF bay area owned the Red Brick Valiant for awhile. I think he was on Moparts under the name "Redmist" but I'm not certain.
A guy from the Sacramento/Davis area owned it for a short time. He brought it to at least one of our club meetings of the Capital City Mopars. He admitted that the car was too extreme to drive on the street and didn't have it very long.
Last I heard Tim's Valiant was in the Reno area but that was a few years back. The owner was on Moparts and he contacted me a couple of times with questions but I haven't heard from him now for a few years. That car was too stiff for me. Tim and I would take it to lunch and I'd be sea sick by the time we got to where we were going!
 
I'd take a very good guess it's a aluminum nose MW knowing that owner.

So the blue Charger racecar has been sold since that pictures and it's down in So Cal-ish area? Or still of in PIR area.
The Shoney car could be sold. It has been several years since I last talked to the guy who owned it when I took these pictures. He retired and I moved so we just don't see each other anymore.
 
Last I heard Tim's Valiant was in the Reno area but that was a few years back. The owner was on Moparts and he contacted me a couple of times with questions but I haven't heard from him now for a few years. That car was too stiff for me. Tim and I would take it to lunch and I'd be sea sick by the time we got to where we were going!

The guy in Reno sold it. He's building a ProTouring/Track AMX now. He brought it to Spring Fling Speed Festival once. Sold it after that.
 
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