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LOL.........rrTor-red, Farting in Church is never good.
Or I could fool them all and put "225 Super Six" on there.
 
How 'bout "BIG *** MOTOR" or maybe "MTUCH" (more than u can handle) that would send a message to anyone that pulls up next to ya, Will.
 
I think the good old 383 would look great myself.. Its there, every bit of it making folks wonder why that old girl trembles so much sitting there at idol.. Of course the draw back with it is someone may want to test the 383 from stop light to stop light.. I just hope its a rice burning weed eater that sees those tail lights all the way to the stop light! :) Ive not seen anything that didn't fit or work great in this build yet so im sure whatever you decide will be great Will.
 
Hi Ron! Great to see you back in the saddle sir.

I think the "383" Badge on the hood would probably string me up a bunch more Hero's thinking the big bad bird is going down...downtown china town. But hey....when the 6.3 turns out to be an 8.4, you're right Ron...I'm guessing more than less would be admiring the tail end design of the Plymouth...Which I'm perfectly happy with that, no complaints.


I guess I'm leaning towards the 512 motto and Matt's line of thinking...I set off building this car with the clear intentions a 512 would be under the hood, which obviously is going to happen, my tumbleweed dust filled wallet proves that. But all the time/work/effort/money to get to that point under the hood would be hidden with a 383 badge. Just like you guys I take a lot of pride in my cars and what's been accomplished. And when someone come's pulling up to old skeletor at the red light, beyond the rumble, grumble and antenna wacking like a windshield wiper, i'd want them to look over, catch a gleam of the "512" stamped on the hood and truly know that this American car means business..

Besides the guys that believe we live in England and deal with Liters or those that may think "512" is an old proverb meaning "though shalt not buy foreign junk", I think a lot of the other Detroit tin would be a little hesitant to pop the clutch. All the Rice...Well, I have no problem showing that club that the boys in Michigan back in the day built cars to be reckoned with and with a bit of help from the fountain of youth in my garage, most of the funky plastic, rubberband tired, fake and the fiberglass laced fart cans still don't hold a wick to american legacy of the automobile.

So, after spilling that.....It's clear i'm to the conclusion of some sort of 512 Badge. As far as what accompany's that "Mopar, Stroker, Skeletor" all sound good. I appreciate the time you guys took to post your thoughts/ideas. To some a little badge or emblem would be piddly wink stuff, but honestly..you've guys on this site/thread have followed along and know this car is my "Dream Car", and it's the little touches at the end of it all that can make a huge difference in the overall effect. I respect and appreciate all your opinions or honestly I wouldn't be asking.

Thanks again
 
Will, from the moment you got your car it's been one to be reckoned with. I think even if your sitting around the local hamburger joint telling everybody how you build that car basically from the ground up they would be shaking so much they would spill the soda all over their laps. But of course, there is always someone that wants to puff out his chest and think he can take the "bird" But we all know what the end result of that would be.
 
Thanks Roger.....much appreciated buddy. I'll tell you what, when we finally get a chance to meet up, we'll take both our birds out and go on the hunt for that guy looking to blow steam off on the rest of the world. Beep Beep!
 
Will, from the moment you got your car it's been one to be reckoned with. I think even if your sitting around the local hamburger joint telling everybody how you build that car basically from the ground up they would be shaking so much they would spill the soda all over their laps. But of course, there is always someone that wants to puff out his chest and think he can take the "bird" But we all know what the end result of that would be.

Id sure love to be able to watch it! ;) Heck, Id be the one with a video camera and almost as big a smile as Will, You two get together and go out hunting that one puffing out his chest, let me know! :) Love a good hunt!
 

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Thanks fella's....I'm having the 512 emblems custom made to be along the same font as the original hood call outs by these guys:

http://emblemart.com/

Ron, I think when she gets on the road this year, I imagine there will be plenty of opportunities to share with the community why exactly that you don't want to mess with Mopar Muscle cars. I look forward to every learning lesson I can share and if Roger's along, i'm sure we'll both be grinning ear to ear as we watch folks disappear in the mirrors.


Speaking of the 512, things are finally moving along at the machine shop after lighting a fire under his rear. I love working on these old Mopars, wouldn't trade it for anything, but the downside is dealing with services needed and parts from businesses. Some places are great, top notch guys out there...but there is some that I have a hard understanding how and why they are in the business they're in. I guess a guy has to take the good with the bad and you other guys working on your rides know exactly how that goes as well. Shake it of, learn from it and move on. Stroker Rotating assembly is in the block....I got the eddy performer heads back from port, bowl and valve work a while ago.

Happy with the results....these puppies are going to breathe!

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You're gonna be glad you did that. Which cam did you decide on?

Thanks fella's....I'm having the 512 emblems custom made to be along the same font as the original hood call outs by these guys:

http://emblemart.com/

Ron, I think when she gets on the road this year, I imagine there will be plenty of opportunities to share with the community why exactly that you don't want to mess with Mopar Muscle cars. I look forward to every learning lesson I can share and if Roger's along, i'm sure we'll both be grinning ear to ear as we watch folks disappear in the mirrors.


Speaking of the 512, things are finally moving along at the machine shop after lighting a fire under his rear. I love working on these old Mopars, wouldn't trade it for anything, but the downside is dealing with services needed and parts from businesses. Some places are great, top notch guys out there...but there is some that I have a hard understanding how and why they are in the business they're in. I guess a guy has to take the good with the bad and you other guys working on your rides know exactly how that goes as well. Shake it of, learn from it and move on. Stroker Rotating assembly is in the block....I got the eddy performer heads back from port, bowl and valve work a while ago.

Happy with the results....these puppies are going to breathe!

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You're gonna be glad you did that. Which cam did you decide on?

Comp cams rusty http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-23-232-4/overview/make/dodge

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Failed loading pic's first time...so i'll try this again.

HID Conversion

So, sick and tired on the old yellow dim headlights that sink like a dying candle at stop lights. The bird had received a lot of modern upgrades so why stop at the lights? I'll try to make this write up as easy as possible so if folks want to follow the same or a similar route down the road, maybe it would help them out.

Went back and forth in between a Halogen or HID upgrade. IMO, HID happens to have more pro's than halogens after reading many articles, posts, a book and reviews. This includes being brighter, running cooler, sucking less power, living longer and having a variable color spectrum to choose from.

Here's what I basically started with for supplies. Some of it is redundant, but gives a general idea

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Here's the meat and potato's of it all, the schematic I put together for the relay driven Quad HID lighting system. Follow along on the post and you'll see how it ties all together.

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This is the HID kit I purchased, bought it off ebay for $35.00 per kit...You'll need two kits for quad lighting. I bought a 6000K H1 and a 6000K H4 kit. 6000k is a diamond white color. Go up to 8000, you're looking at more blue. Go over 12,000, now it's turning a purple like hue. Anything under 5000K, it gets more and more yellow. Reading the reviews of this MFG, there is good and there is bad. Most issues I seen where from people plugging into their original light harness and having flickering and ballast problems. A relay system seems to cure a lot of those issues. There is a lot of reading and reviews on HID kits, so if you're going to make the investment, take your time and research them. i'm hoping to be happy with mine, but just don't have the experience with them yet to give an accurate review.

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So tearing into stuff...I needed a place to mount the ballast so I chose the front of the radiator core to the sides. They're waterproof with waterproof connections and I could disguise them behind the front grill fill panel. Problem is, the length of the harness to the bulb to the ballast on the outer low beams...not long enough.

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I think most around here has a pretty good idea what a good butt or splice connection is. Just to throw in the history of this thread, every butt or splice connection in this wiring, I used un-insulated butt connectors from Radio shack. Once crimped, I applied lead free electronics solder to each connection, covered with heat shrink and then was covered by decent electrical tape. Do this and you don't have to worry about electrical connection points being a place to corrode and/or fail/cause a fire down the road.

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As far as the Electrical tape...Most of the system I went with Scotch Supper +33, which is an excellent vinyl electrical tape. A couple spots I wanted to replicate the cloth look from the factory. "Duck" brand tape sells a friction tape that not only holds and protects well, but looks like the cloth original.

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Relays......With my HID system, you'll need (2) 5 Pin 40 AMP Dual 87 relays. I bought Hella's because they're a good name in lighting...HELLA H41010001 Dual 87 40 Amp SPST Mini Relay with Bracket. Here's where I actually found them:

http://www.discountfleetsupply.com/helh41010001.html

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This place was great to deal with. Was fast and one of the cheapest! I also Bought my Hella H4 and H1 headlamps from them. Cheapest I could find anywhere.

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http://www.discountfleetsupply.com/hel002425831.html

http://www.discountfleetsupply.com/hel002850001.html

These 5 pin plug connectors I picked up off Amazon. Pretty easy to find and I went with the 14 GA. wires pre-installed into them. I had to make a change to my 12 GA. power wire running into the relay (slot 30) from the circuit breaker. Used a fine fine screwdriver to push in the little tab of the terminal connector and it popped right out.

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The 40 Amp circuit breakers I picked up at Twilight Zone or as some know it, Auto Zone. I went with dual circuit breakers in my system to have somewhat of a fail safe. If something is failing on one side of the circuit and tripping, I'll hopefully have the other to get home.

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The HID kit's ballast's unfortunately have no mounting tabs to mount. It comes with some cheap two sided tape and zip ties, which was not going to work for me. So, went down to the hardware store, picked up some 1"W x 1/16" thickness aluminum. These ballasts are very small and very light so I didn't need beefy metal to hold them in place. Cut for length, bent them up in the vise and painted with Eastwood Ceramic Chassis black. I used Locklite two sided tape to hold in place (very good stuff). I also used a dime sized piece of ribbon tape (used on back windows), on the backside when mounting on the car to keep vibration down and to help hold a bit more.

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Now, to run a quad beam system with HID's....HID's have a start/warm up period. They just don't come on at full power like regular lights. The problem with this is when you're going down the road with just high beams on and you switch back to low's, well...it's gonna be dim at first. No thanks. To resolve this is to have all four lights on when in high beam..meaning with lights on, either way your lows will be on. The factory lighting was designed this way (quad lighting), using jumpers, but the HID bulbs just run one + and one - wire and you do not want to jump wires forward of the ballasts. To cure this you must install a Rectifying Diode. I bought a 6 Amp...200 and some volt diode at radio shack for this. You want to install it in a jump wire from the high beam signal wire to the low beam signal wire. That way, when you hit the brights, power is sent to the low beam circuit as well. The mission of the diode is when just the low beams are on, it cannot jump past that diode to power the high beams. If the diode wasn't installed all four of your lights would be on no matter what. Be sure to install the diode with the grey stripe (cathode) attaching to the wire that you don't want power coming back down. See schematic above.

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So as per the schematic, the relay harness is built. You can see on the ends the connectors that plug into the Ballasts. If you're wrapping your harness, mark the plug ends with a label or paint marker so you know which is which.

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Now to integrate it into the factory Harness....This harness was out of a '68 Dodge. Had some extra wires my roadrunner did not, like for side marker lights and hood mounted turn indicators. The wires I needed to worry about keeping was the wires for the low beam selector (violet), high beam selector (red), yellow wire to the starter relay, brake warning switch wire (black) and the wires for the turn signals.

http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/1969/69BelvedereGTXSatelliteRoadRunnerB.JPG

Removed wires:

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With the factory harness tied into the relay Harness:

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As far as the relays, if you're running a decent Stereo, you'll need to run a diode across from your 85 to your 86 pin on your relays. This is not isolated to HID's. This is isolated to using a relay type system. You can end up with electrical interference over the airwaves if not doing so. I ran a very small 1AMP 50V diode on each relay.

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I need to update you guys with some pic's here in the very near future. The harness is in the car...the h1 High beams lamps are installed already and about to install the H4's. Good news is I hooked up a battery to this set up, running through the bulkhead, and everything works just as it should. The Hella lamps fit well in the buckets and the headlight trim/retaing rings hold the lamps in place nicely. As soon as it actually gets over 0*F and I get a little time, I'll snap some for you.

On closing this portion (with Pic's to come), I hope this helps someone else down the road. There are some things that could be different like; running inline fuses or fusible links or running a Single bigger circuit breaker instead of a double. You could also apply this to make a Halogen system instead of HID. Just run the wires that would be going to the plugs for the HID ballasts to the Halogen bulbs instead. I would recommend you upgrade to a 12GA. wire all around forward of the relays instead of the 14, being there's more continuous power draw and heat. Also, use ceramic connections at the plugs. As far as the HID, they draw a lot less, besides start up. Going off of info from Swede, on start up HID ballast can draw up to 15 AMPS each for 3-5 seconds and then dramatically goes downhill from there. That's why I went with 40AMP relays/breakers.

Like I said....Lights on pic's to come here in the near future.
 
Kinda small, but it'll mash your eyeballs back in your head. I think you wanted somethin really streetable and that's certainly it. I think you'll like it.
 
Kinda small, but it'll mash your eyeballs back in your head. I think you wanted somethin really streetable and that's certainly it. I think you'll like it.

That's what I was looking for RRR...Streetable yet still able to run decently down at the strip without being just another 13-14 second muscle car. I can watch those all day long at our local drag strip. I can say one thing, never again will I build a Street/strip car. It's gonna be one or the other. Too many parts out there that put you in one class or the other. Trying to find ones that meet in the middle and then work with everything else at the same time get's to be a pain. Thanks again for the help on other threads trying to get a decent one nailed down.
 
Alright guys...Getting bored out of my mind waiting on the engine..The porting, bowls and valve work is done on the Eddy heads, so i'll be picking those up this week. Not a whole lot of movement on the rest of the engine. Line bore is done, ARP Studs for the mains are in. Been tinkering with the sleds in the mean time and snow's starting to fly.

Need some honest opinions (leave no thoughts to the curb). Being the only noise in the garage is the sound of evacuating Field Mice choking on mouthfuls of poison and being sent to the promise land, I've has some time to dink around with other little odds and ends. The hood callout emblems. I do like the font and look of the factory engine badges, but the missing factory 383 has a 512 filling its place. Found a couple places that will make custom emblems to my specifications. So, I'm no Picasso but I tried to modify a pic of a 383 emblem to a 512 on a paint program.

Thoughts? To me I'm thinking it looks pretty good, but just a bit concerned that folks will think i'm driving some long lost concept Chevrolet S12 and not a 512. It might be the font style and goes with the territory or it may be i'm just being too hard of a critic on myself.

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Any way to sharpen the 5 up (the two would need the same effect) or leave it like it is?


I think I have a few suggestions to make it look more like 512 than SI2

1. Lose the 'dropdown' (tail?) on the top line of the 5 (and maybe make the upper front corner sharper)
2. Put a 'proportional' base and head on the 1.

Those will help most. If need be, try making the lower opening of the 5 slightly larger than the upper.

Personally, I like the idea of 'hiding' the new number in the original font. Would be curious to know what those run you to get made. Good luck!
 
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