Hello, Helene...you b%*%$ (Short Ed Musings, Noah-inspired)

[moparedtn]

Update, 75+ more Lineman from projects in upstate NewYork. Every available truck and tracked diggers and swamp equipment are being sent. 4 tractor trailer loads of hardware, and approximately 3-5 trailer loads of available wire are also on the way. The word from the host utility is plan on 6- 8 weeks for just the first wave.
This is one of the largest mobilization of utility workers I've seen in quite a while.

Monumental stuff for sure. The National Guard is here, landing huge cargo planes full of stuff and helping to secure remote
areas and conduct welfare checks.
There is a constant stream of utility trucks, medical personnel, ambulances - and the air traffic of dozens of helicopters is
constant all day.
Although TVA is the "parent" provider of electricity in this entire part of the country, all of the local providers are typically
co-ops like ours - and they're getting support from fellow co-ops in other parts of the country, too.

For all the sadness, shock and depressing scenes....it's uplifting and encouraging to see the best of America coming to these
folks' aid, too. Truly inspiring.

 

[dadsbee]

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Yes, there's many still unaccounted for - but for the constant reading and observing of all the reports
coming out of the badly-hit areas, that statement of yours is a first.

News reports show 124 or so dead in NC, 600 reported missing that should reduce once communications come back on line.

More Than 100 Dead After Hurricane Helene Ravages the South and 600 Remain Missing in 1 N.C. County: Officials

 

[khryslerkid]

120 is the count now among the three states

Watching the news yesterday and they showed Asheville NC. You can't even recognize it.

I hope it's not raining down there anymore. We've been getting the remnants of it here added to the nine days in a row of measurable rain before. Very depressing weather.

 

[moparedtn]

News reports show 124 or so dead in NC, 600 reported missing that should reduce once communications come back on line.

More Than 100 Dead After Hurricane Helene Ravages the South and 600 Remain Missing in 1 N.C. County: Officials

Yes I am aware...I was questioning specifically your "kids are going around looking for their parents, 100's missing"
statement, however.

 

[moparedtn]

120 is the count now among the three states

Watching the news yesterday and they showed Asheville NC. You can't even recognize it.

I hope it's not raining down there anymore. We've been getting the remnants of it here added to the nine days in a row of measurable rain before. Very depressing weather.

Sporadic, spitting little showers remain scattered in the region, but nothing significant, thankfully.
Yeah, that bitch won't freaking LEAVE - still hanging out over VA, PA, MD etc. and still contributing these
little tailhook showers even here still.
Asheville gets hammered by stuff fairly regularly, given where it is and their elevation vs. their immediate
surroundings - and yes, it looks very sunami-like there right now.
The entirety of western NC does, in fact.

 

[Speedbird]

I've got relatives all of the place in TN. Most are ridge runners on the NW side of the mountains. But some in other places.
Don't see Rock City. Ruby Falls is time better spent.

I'm no climatologist or metrologist, but "our life is but a span" as the song says.
It sure seems that this "event" isn't that rare in the grand scheme of things.
Just more people around to be in it, and change the land to cause it.
Both grandparents worked for the rail roads during the real depression and had material things which have been been passed down.
Lot of things.
I give you some family pictures of the "mill" on the river in McMinnville and info on the flood just over a hundred years ago which drove my paternal grandmother's family out of McMinnville.

The Caney Fork of the Cumberland River - Pages 15-16
"According to the government rain gauge there was 11 inches of rainfall at McMinnville from 8 o'clock Thursday evening until 8 o'clock Friday evening and McMinnville appears to have been just in the edge of the storm, as the rainfall was evidently heavier in the western part of the county, on the headwaters of Barren Fork and Charles Creek, than here, and lighter than here in the Collins River valley."

Letter captures drama of 1908 flood
Historical Photos: Augusta floods, 1912-1994
There was also a great flood in Augusta that my paternal grandfather witnessed. (Railroad man 1908) I have his letter about that with deaths he witnessed.
A large number considering the population at the time. I can't help but wonder how many were unreported 120 years ago.

And then there is Galveston.

 

[moparedtn]

I've got relatives all of the place in TN. Most are ridge runners on the NW side of the mountains. But some in other places.
Don't see Rock City. Ruby Falls is time better spent.

I'm no climatologist or metrologist, but "our life is but a span" as the song says.
It sure seems that this "event" isn't that rare in the grand scheme of things.
Just more people around to be in it, and change the land to cause it.
Both grandparents worked for the rail roads during the real depression and had material things which have been been passed down.
Lot of things.
I give you some family pictures of the "mill" on the river in McMinnville and info on the flood just over a hundred years ago which drove my paternal grandmother's family out of McMinnville.

The Caney Fork of the Cumberland River - Pages 15-16
"According to the government rain gauge there was 11 inches of rainfall at McMinnville from 8 o'clock Thursday evening until 8 o'clock Friday evening and McMinnville appears to have been just in the edge of the storm, as the rainfall was evidently heavier in the western part of the county, on the headwaters of Barren Fork and Charles Creek, than here, and lighter than here in the Collins River valley."

Letter captures drama of 1908 flood
Historical Photos: Augusta floods, 1912-1994
There was also a great flood in Augusta that my paternal grandfather witnessed. (Railroad man 1908) I have his letter about that with deaths he witnessed.
A large number considering the population at the time. I can't help but wonder how many were unreported 120 years ago.

And then there is Galveston.
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No, you're no expert - nor am I.
Yes, there's certainly been other tragic weather events in history in this part of the world.
Nobody is saying otherwise here, certainly not me.
But - that said:
The expressing of Helene's impact on the 5 states being referred to as a "500-year event" isn't my wording -
that comes from people who are the experts.

To be clear:
We're talking about an unprecedented event in this region - as expressed by those whose job it is to know such
things.
11" of rain in 24 hours is certainly formidable - we got that much here, for example - but most of western NC
got literally feet of water during the storm:
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1rnBSq.img?w=768&h=613&m=6
At its' peak for example, the measured flow over the Nolichucky dam was reported to be 1.3 million gallons of
water each second. Mind-boggling, especially when compared to the average daily peak flow over Niagra Falls
is around 700,000 gps.
There simply has never been anything in this part of the world that compares - ever - and the known statistics
bear that out.

What is inspiring though, is that the reponse for the need for aid is also shaping up to be something of a record
as well. I'm seeing reports of crews from as far away as Canada, Utah, Nevada....
America is showing up in force, thank God.

 

[Dennis H]

Samaritans Purse. Donate. Do SOMETHING. Those poor Bastards. You can use PayPal. Simple.

Samaritans Purse is flying Blackhawks in with supplies. I’m gonna bump em again. Do what you can.

 

[Hey-O]

I don't live in a history book, those records are set. Now, looking forward, what do you see, who knows. F**k me once, shame on you. F**k me twice, shame on me. I know nothing about the “human footprint” in each weather disaster, but that doesn't matter to me. The effects that we feel right now, in our pocketbooks and personal lives is real. That's good enough for me.

 

[Speedbird]

I think he misspelled "fool".
Man plans (based on history?) but God determines.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/event-tracker/reviewing-hurricane-harveys-catastrophic-rain-and-flooding#:~:text=Hurricane Harvey dropped over 20,contributed to the heavy rain
This means that an official analysis of whether rainfall amounts in Harvey were a 1-in-500-year event or 1-in-1000 will have to wait for the time being. However, Dr. Sanja Perica, chief of the National Weather Service’s Hydrometeorological Design Studies Center, has noted that preliminary estimates for the area suggest that some locations likely received rainfall amounts that have a 0.1 (one in a thousand) percent chance of occurring in any year.

Dam. Helene headed for the hills. Sometimes they stall out. Makes it worse.
(Albany was a mess in 1994)
Here's an update on the cloud.
Are locust are next?
BioLab fire: Rockdale County shelter-in-place warning issued after weather change

 

[Hey-O]

You can read many articles and get any answer that fits your narrative if you want to. God had nothing to do with flooding and killing all these people, atleast not my God. But, I sure I'm wrong, I'll ask him.

 

[Speedbird]

1.True enough.
2.God has nothing to do with things.
Case closed. Got it.
(Unless you find out otherwise.)

 

[Hey-O]

There is a God, but he's not going to bring you food, water, and a 2x4 to rebuild your house. If you don't believe me, do nothing and go sit by the street corner and wait for him. He's in the faith business, I pray everyday, at every meal, but hard work is what gets it done and yes faith.

 

[moparedtn]

If anything, I believe we're seeing God work through all the amazing help that continues to stream en masse
to the region. There's literal armies of utility crews, squadrons of privately owned helicopters, ATV's, UTV's,
makeshift staging areas literally popping up by the hour by all manner of organizations...
Yes, the feds are here as well. FEMA, etc. are bringing in airlifts of supplies, the National Guard and other
military branches are flying all sorts of search + rescue utilizing military choppers, drones...
There's been C-130 airlifts, C-17, hell I don't even know all the designations.

The debate can be had later as to why this tragedy had to happen - or any details of its' severity, for that
matter - but I'm choosing to go with the positives that are the overwhelming outpouring of human support
and compassion happening.
That is surely a divine thing, don't care who you are.

 

[Hey-O]

If anything, I believe we're seeing God work through all the amazing help that continues to stream en masse
to the region. There's literal armies of utility crews, squadrons of privately owned helicopters, ATV's, UTV's,
makeshift staging areas literally popping up by the hour by all manner of organizations...
Yes, the feds are here as well. FEMA, etc. are bringing in airlifts of supplies, the National Guard and other
military branches are flying all sorts of search + rescue utilizing military choppers, drones...
There's been C-130 airlifts, C-17, hell I don't even know all the designations.

The debate can be had later as to why this tragedy had to happen - or any details of its' severity, for that
matter - but I'm choosing to go with the positives that are the overwhelming outpouring of human support
and compassion happening.
That is surely a divine thing, don't care who you are.

Ed
You're living proof that doctors and God work hand in hand and for that, we're grateful.......Ulli

 

[moparedtn]

Ed
You're living proof that doctors and God work hand in hand and for that, we're grateful.......Ulli

Oh man. Brother, I am not worthy...but thank you.

 

[Hey-O]

Oh man. Brother, I am not worthy...but thank you.

Don't say that, you are worthy. Your wife, Fred and all of us need you!! Everyone brings something to the table, including me, sometimes........LOL

 

[moparedtn]

TDOT has pretty much written off I-40 at the state line with NC until 2025; I-26 in Unicoi County will also be
an approx. 1 year repair situation according to them.
In fact, most all of the main throughways between western NC and east TN are down and majorly damaged.
The current TDOT status map:



It ain't good....but perhaps the NCDOT map is even more direct and to the point:


Never before. Ever....

 

[Charles Cook]

This is the same boat ramp by my office that I posted pictures of.

 

[Budnicks]

RIP to all the victims of Helene
to the families & friends, you have my deepest heartfelt sympathies

to those trying to scam people,
or make it all about them, screw you
always someone
or some bloviating soliloquies/nonsense spouted by someone
I now IGNORE

I had just read 190+ body count now, last I saw...
I'm sure it will rise, as the clean up continues...
but I hope not

sad stuff

Yes, yet "another disaster" in the east of the Mississippi, states
somewhere near an area affected prior too, year after year
be it a normal every year to a 100 year storm or an alleged 500 year storm,
I doubt they kept records 500 years ago either

I saw something on Fox News last night, that Maggie Valley (spell) NC (?)
I think that's the place (?), partially where they film
'Moonshiners' History Channel TV series, was one of the worst areas effected...

yet the leadership barely acknowledges it
or goes to visit the disaster/scene
a little late too