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Wow, I haven't seen that sort of wear that wasn't in an Oldsmobile.
Good job of troubleshooting.Bad news confirmed. Hole in lifter, damaged cam lobe and metal everywhere.
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Man, that sucks. I think I'd have one of them stiff drinks like in your avatar! Whats the story with the motor? how many miles on it, what oil and additives were you using, was it a new cam....we are all curious.Bad news confirmed. Hole in lifter, damaged cam lobe and metal everywhere.
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That can contribute to it.....but there's lots of other reasons it could happen too. Metallurgy can also be a factor. Years ago one of the larger car makers had a LOT of problems with cams going flat. Too much spring pressure is another and improper break in can also contribute to it......What causes that?? Low zinc oil?
Sure. Engine was built 2 years ago. Has maybe 8,000 miles on it. 3 months ago I switched from VR1 to Castro GTX with Hotshots secret FR3 friction reducer. Figured it could benefit from an oil with more detergent. Maybe the cause or not. I will say I replaced my valve covers four weeks ago and checked all the rockers and they were solid tight. Whatever happened happened all of a sudden as there was no ticking or anything previous to my one hour highway trip last weekend.Good job of troubleshooting.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to hear all the details on your cam, valve train, and lubrication.
I'm thinking that the Castro GTX is still being formulated like it was in the mid 70's? Back then it had way too much detergent and not enough lubricity....and yes I found out the hard way but at least maybe it had just enough to keep the cams from going flat and I mention 'cams' because I used it in several cars and a motorcycle. The bike actually gave me the first clue that the oil wasn't doing what it was supposed to do. The freaking engines were clean as a whistle inside though!!! I'm talking about clean enough to not have to take them to a shop for cooking or sticking them into a wash vat but I gave them a good bath to make sure all of the bearing material was washed out of them. When you pull an intake and see silvery deposits sitting in the little pockets that don't drain well, you know the oil isn't oiling lolSure. Engine was built 2 years ago. Has maybe 8,000 miles on it. 3 months ago I switched from VR1 to Castro GTX with Hotshots secret FR3 friction reducer. Figured it could benefit from an oil with more detergent. Maybe the cause or not. I will say I replaced my valve covers four weeks ago and checked all the rockers and they were solid tight. Whatever happened happened all of a sudden as there was no ticking or anything previous to my one hour highway trip last weekend.View attachment 1249287
That lifter may have been wearing slowly over time. It may have had nothing to do with the oil change.I'm thinking that the Castro GTX is still being formulated like it was in the mid 70's? Back then it had way too much detergent and not enough lubricity....and yes I found out the hard way but at least maybe it had just enough to keep the cams from going flat and I mention 'cams' because I used it in several cars and a motorcycle. The bike actually gave me the first clue that the oil wasn't doing what it was supposed to do. The freaking engines were clean as a whistle inside though!!! I'm talking about clean enough to not have to take them to a shop for cooking or sticking them into a wash vat but I gave them a good bath to make sure all of the bearing material was washed out of them. When you pull an intake and see silvery deposits sitting in the little pockets that don't drain well, you know the oil isn't oiling lol
Like I said in my post....never lost any lifters using GTX oil but back in the 70's oil still had plenty of additives to help keep the lifters at least half way safe. I still feel that brand had way too much detergent in it. A buddy of mine told me I shouldn't use it but never gave me any reasons why....That lifter may have been wearing slowly over time. It may have had nothing to do with the oil change.
75 cold. 10 hot idle. The builder used double groved main bearings And said that was the reason for the low idle pressure.How much oil pressure did that engine make?
Thanks for the info.Sure. Engine was built 2 years ago. Has maybe 8,000 miles on it. 3 months ago I switched from VR1 to Castro GTX with Hotshots secret FR3 friction reducer. Figured it could benefit from an oil with more detergent. Maybe the cause or not. I will say I replaced my valve covers four weeks ago and checked all the rockers and they were solid tight. Whatever happened happened all of a sudden as there was no ticking or anything previous to my one hour highway trip last weekend.View attachment 1249287
Comp Cams.Thanks for the info.
From what I've read here and elsewhere, detergent may have a negative effect on the ability of zinc to do its job.
A formulated race oil such as Driven seems to be the best option.
What brand were the cam and lifter's?
Is it just me, or is that a hell of the swing? I'm usually 40-13 ish75 cold. 10 hot idle. The builder used double groved main bearings And said that was the reason for the low idle pressure.
That is lower than I like,what weight oil do you use?75 cold. 10 hot idle. The builder used double groved main bearings And said that was the reason for the low idle pressure.