Trick Flow 240 Porting posibilities

[IQ52]

I didn’t say you couldn’t improve upon them, I said (or at least meant) unless you know what you’re doing you could screw up an otherwise well done cnc port.

I never thought you believed that they couldn't be improved upon. Were I referencing your post I would have quoted you. You're safe. I have great respect for your opinions/posts.

 

[m79ded]

I never thought you believed that they couldn't be improved upon. Were I referencing your post I would have quoted you. You're safe. I have great respect for your opinions/posts.

Thanks very much everyone for the input and help. I called Trick Flow and they said that the ribs help promote atomization and that the gains would be minimal. Well my buddy Tom at TK Race heads who worked for Ray Barton flowed the port and they flowed within 3 to 12 cfm of what they advertised, which is good. But there was a huge amount of turbulance. I said go ahead and lets try one port and see what happens. Well to my surprise the low lift numbers came up by about 5cfm but more important according to Tom is that the turbulance went away which he said is a plus right of the bat. He didn't reshape, port or anything like that because this is a mainly street driven car and wants to retain street manners. I just wanted it to be as good as it can. I will post a pic later on so that you can see.

 

[moper]

There's reasons I don't give porting advice either... Start when your 16, and keep learning 'til you're 47 and then realize you don't know 1/2 of what the pros do...lol.
On the flow testing - if they did what was advertised I don't think you need to improve them for the combo you have. Turbulence is good, and a flow bench is not a running engine. Not even close. Low lift flow goes both ways - and that can be a problem depending on the camshaft and other parts choices.

 

[m79ded]

Thanks very much everyone for the input and help. I called Trick Flow and they said that the ribs help promote atomization and that the gains would be minimal. Well my buddy Tom at TK Race heads who worked for Ray Barton flowed the port and they flowed within 3 to 12 cfm of what they advertised, which is good. But there was a huge amount of turbulance. I said go ahead and lets try one port and see what happens. Well to my surprise the low lift numbers came up by about 5cfm but more important according to Tom is that the turbulance went away which he said is a plus right of the bat. He didn't reshape, port or anything like that because this is a mainly street driven car and wants to retain street manners. I just wanted it to be as good as it can. I will post a pic later on so that you can see.

Here is a Pic of the port for you to look at . As you can see he just took the ridges away no other port work.It managed to help out with the turbulance.

 

[m79ded]

BTW mine was a solid roller cam with 1.6 HS rockers .620ish lift. The thread is "Trickflows on the 440"
Jim did a little port work on the intake as there was more to gain there than the heads.

My buddy Nick did a similar Trick flow head 440 with those TRW L2355 slugs a 241 247 cam M1 intake and just squeezed 600 620 out of it. My 451 (which I found to be torqier and much faster reving than the 440) I can say it's amazed me and a few people as well that didn't believe in a light rotating assembly. is going on the Dyno next week and well see what it does.

Here is the video of the 440 Nick did/

 

[451Mopar]

Keep the info flowing. I had my OOTB Trick flow heads tested and they were pretty close to advertised too. With your mild cam, you might experiment with the valve job/angles and see if it picks up the low/mid lift numbers, if not might need to replace a valve and seat.

 

[m79ded]

Keep the info flowing. I had my OOTB Trick flow heads tested and they were pretty close to advertised too. With your mild cam, you might experiment with the valve job/angles and see if it picks up the low/mid lift numbers, if not might need to replace a valve and seat.

I certainly will keep info going. The reason for a milder cam is that it makes a great cruising car as well as giving it decent track manners as well. I am going to pick up either a Holley SD or Torker and test those on the dyno vs performer RPM and see what happens.

 

[69 GTX]

Check out my thread trickflows on the 440. we did a manifold comparison before the 6bbl went on.

 

[69 GTX]

RPM..................Victor TQ/HP..................RPM TQ/HP

3000...................472/269.......................495/283.....+23/+14
3100...................468/276.......................500/295.....+32/+19
3200...................483/294.......................515/314.....+32/+20
3300...................500/314.......................541/340.....+41/+36
3400...................513/332.......................546/354.....+33/+22
3500...................514/342.......................547/364.....+33/+22
3600...................516/354.......................550/377.....+34/+23
3700...................510/359.......................552/389.....+42/+30
3800...................516/373.......................555/401.....+39/+28
3900...................520/386.......................555/412.....+35/+26
4000...................528/402.......................558/425.....+30/+23
4100...................529/413.......................553/431.....+24/+18
4200...................532/425.......................553/442.....+21/+17
4300...................539/441.......................548/449.......+9/+8
4400...................545/456.......................552/462.......+7/+6
4500...................550/471.......................554/475.......+4/+4
4600...................554/485.......................553/484........-1/-1
4700...................552/494.......................550/492........-2/-2
4800...................562/513.......................558/510........-4/-3
4900...................560/522.......................556/518........-4/-4
5000...................562/535.......................552/526.......-10/-9
5100...................561/545.......................558/542........-3/-3
5200...................551/546.......................556/550........-5/-4
5300...................554/559.......................548/553........-6/-6
5400...................546/561.......................546/561.........0/0
5500...................549/575.......................544/570........-5/-5
5600...................541/576.......................532/568........-9/-8
5700...................539/585.......................530/575........-9/-10
5800...................534/590.......................517/571......-17/-19
5900...................526/591.......................508/570......-18/-21
6000...................512/584.......................497/568......-15/-16
6100...................503/585.......................480/558......-23/-27

 

[69 GTX]

RPM..................Victor TQ/HP..................RPM TQ/HP..................6-pack +/- vs the RPM

3000...................472/269.......................495/283.....+23/+14
3100...................468/276.......................500/295.....+32/+19
3200...................483/294.......................515/314.....+32/+20
3300...................500/314.......................541/340.....+41/+36
3400...................513/332.......................546/354.....+33/+22
3500...................514/342.......................547/364.....+33/+22............574/383....+27/+19
3600...................516/354.......................550/377.....+34/+23............562/383....+12/+5
3700...................510/359.......................552/389.....+42/+30............564/397....+12/+8
3800...................516/373.......................555/401.....+39/+28............561/406......+6/+5
3900...................520/386.......................555/412.....+35/+26............560/416......+5/+4
4000...................528/402.......................558/425.....+30/+23............559/425......+1/+0
4100...................529/413.......................553/431.....+24/+18............557/435......+4/+4
4200...................532/425.......................553/442.....+21/+17............556/445......+3/+3
4300...................539/441.......................548/449.......+9/+8..............548/449........0/0
4400...................545/456.......................552/462.......+7/+6..............551/461.......-1/-1
4500...................550/471.......................554/475.......+4/+4..............552/473.......-2/-2
4600...................554/485.......................553/484........-1/-1...............552/483.......-1/-2
4700...................552/494.......................550/492........-2/-2...............554/496......+2/+2
4800...................562/513.......................558/510........-4/-3...............553/505.......-9/-8
4900...................560/522.......................556/518........-4/-4...............553/516.......-7/-6
5000...................562/535.......................552/526.......-10/-9..............556/529......-6/-6
5100...................561/545.......................558/542........-3/-3...............560/544......-1/-1
5200...................551/546.......................556/550........-5/-4...............556/550........0/0
5300...................554/559.......................548/553........-6/-6...............552/557......-2/-2
5400...................546/561.......................546/561.........0/0................555/570.......+9/+9
5500...................549/575.......................544/570........-5/-5...............552/578......+3/+3
5600...................541/576.......................532/568........-9/-8...............544/580....+3/+4
5700...................539/585.......................530/575........-9/-10.............534/579......-5/-6
5800...................534/590.......................517/571......-17/-19.............528/583.....-6/-7
5900...................526/591.......................508/570......-18/-21.............524/589.....-2/-2
6000...................512/584.......................497/568......-15/-16.............511/583.....-1/-1
6100...................503/585.......................480/558......-23/-27.............502/583.....-1/-2
BTW the 6 pack #s are +- from best # not just the RPM I did this to make it easier to reference.

 

[m79ded]

RPM..................Victor TQ/HP..................RPM TQ/HP..................6-pack +/- vs the RPM

3000...................472/269.......................495/283.....+23/+14
3100...................468/276.......................500/295.....+32/+19
3200...................483/294.......................515/314.....+32/+20
3300...................500/314.......................541/340.....+41/+36
3400...................513/332.......................546/354.....+33/+22
3500...................514/342.......................547/364.....+33/+22............574/383....+27/+19
3600...................516/354.......................550/377.....+34/+23............562/383....+12/+5
3700...................510/359.......................552/389.....+42/+30............564/397....+12/+8
3800...................516/373.......................555/401.....+39/+28............561/406......+6/+5
3900...................520/386.......................555/412.....+35/+26............560/416......+5/+4
4000...................528/402.......................558/425.....+30/+23............559/425......+1/+0
4100...................529/413.......................553/431.....+24/+18............557/435......+4/+4
4200...................532/425.......................553/442.....+21/+17............556/445......+3/+3
4300...................539/441.......................548/449.......+9/+8..............548/449........0/0
4400...................545/456.......................552/462.......+7/+6..............551/461.......-1/-1
4500...................550/471.......................554/475.......+4/+4..............552/473.......-2/-2
4600...................554/485.......................553/484........-1/-1...............552/483.......-1/-2
4700...................552/494.......................550/492........-2/-2...............554/496......+2/+2
4800...................562/513.......................558/510........-4/-3...............553/505.......-9/-8
4900...................560/522.......................556/518........-4/-4...............553/516.......-7/-6
5000...................562/535.......................552/526.......-10/-9..............556/529......-6/-6
5100...................561/545.......................558/542........-3/-3...............560/544......-1/-1
5200...................551/546.......................556/550........-5/-4...............556/550........0/0
5300...................554/559.......................548/553........-6/-6...............552/557......-2/-2
5400...................546/561.......................546/561.........0/0................555/570.......+9/+9
5500...................549/575.......................544/570........-5/-5...............552/578......+3/+3
5600...................541/576.......................532/568........-9/-8...............544/580....+3/+4
5700...................539/585.......................530/575........-9/-10.............534/579......-5/-6
5800...................534/590.......................517/571......-17/-19.............528/583.....-6/-7
5900...................526/591.......................508/570......-18/-21.............524/589.....-2/-2
6000...................512/584.......................497/568......-15/-16.............511/583.....-1/-1
6100...................503/585.......................480/558......-23/-27.............502/583.....-1/-2
BTW the 6 pack #s are +- from best # not just the RPM I did this to make it easier to reference.

WOW The 6 pack really shinned everywhere. I am shocked to see the difference between the Victor and the 6 Pack at the low end. RPM and 6 pack would make a better choice for my heavy street car

 

[69 GTX]

To be fair he did open up the intake ports about .060 on the 6bbl intake and did some porting on it. But I'd be hard pressed to find a better street intake 3-5500 rpm range. My car is a column shift so I put the max wedge governor in it so I can just leave it in drive and floor it. Should shift 5800-6000rpm, right where the peak hp is at.

 

[not so famous bob]

Hi
I just got a nice set of Trick flows and I am debating weather to smoothen out the small ribs left over from the CNC porting. I was told to just smoothen/remove those ribs by some people, some said do not touch it because those ribs help some said do not open the port any more you will ruin the head. I would like to ask our community here before I touch them and ruin a set of heads. I know guys like IQ52 or Dwayne Porter and other very knowledgeable engine builders on the forum might have experience with those heads and chime in.
It's going on a 451 that will be about 10.75 comp and a hydraulic 236/242 cam
Thanks

My standard port, cnc`d , victor type heads have the cnc ribbes left in them. When my 18 time national record holder, friend and head man looked them over while changing the keeps and locks, told me to leave the intake side alone. If I wanted to polish the ribs out , do it on the exhaust side . Gospel as far as I`m concerned.

 

[not so famous bob]

To be fair he did open up the intake ports about .060 on the 6bbl intake and did some porting on it. But I'd be hard pressed to find a better street intake 3-5500 rpm range. My car is a column shift so I put the max wedge governor in it so I can just leave it in drive and floor it. Should shift 5800-6000rpm, right where the peak hp is at.

Interesting, I`m going to put a 5800 governor in mine this winter, when I replace the shift shaft seals. Let us know how it works out !

 

[m79ded]

There's reasons I don't give porting advice either... Start when your 16, and keep learning 'til you're 47 and then realize you don't know 1/2 of what the pros do...lol.
On the flow testing - if they did what was advertised I don't think you need to improve them for the combo you have. Turbulence is good, and a flow bench is not a running engine. Not even close. Low lift flow goes both ways - and that can be a problem depending on the camshaft and other parts choices.

Ok I was told by a few reputable sources that Turbulence is bad for making power. Air likes a smooth fast travel??? I need to research that then??? I know i've seen Pro stock, Super stock Nascar heads super comp and never ever seen ribs there and I was told by these engine builders that turbulence is bad. Please correct me if I'm wrong I would like to know and acquire Knowledge

 

[moper]

You're totally right. I'm totally wrong. Thanks for pointing out my flaws.

 

[m79ded]

You're totally right. I'm totally wrong. Thanks for pointing out my flaws.

Not totally wrong, Turbulence/quench is good in the chamber (Helps with detonation) but turbulance in the port is not good.

 

[rumblefish360]

WOW The 6 pack really shinned everywhere. I am shocked to see the difference between the Victor and the 6 Pack at the low end. RPM and 6 pack would make a better choice for my heavy street car

LMAO hard!!!!

And how many people say 6 packs cant perform, that your gonna get killed by a 4bbl. badly, or you should have use *** intake, with how many times have you heard, "You should have...... Yea,thats what I thought. Hundreds. Freakin 6 packs are bitchin.

 

[69 GTX]

I found this in my files.

Tim Borrall manifold test


#1 your head port 4 or 5 slightly cleaned up with no intake on it

#2 your head w/ OOTB 440 RPM intake

#3 your head w/ ported 440 RPM intake. This intake made 640 LB-FT and 627 HP on a 496 stroker with a bigger solid street roller but with heads that only flowed 292 cfm @ .500” and 309 cfm @ .600”. Again, your head is in column #1

#4 your head w/ ported 6-pack intake

#5 your head w/ported Victor 440 intake, slight mismatch as the intake opening was bigger than your head port opening (wrong way mismatch).


Lift...........#1............#2..........#3...........#4...........#5

.100..........77...........77...........77..........77...........77

.200........157..........157........155.........156.........153

.300........228..........217........224.........222.........230

.400........283..........246........264.........262.........279

.500........328..........270........286 ........291.........312

.600........341..........276........297.........295.........326

.700........337..........284........309.........301.........332

So we’ll test combinations #3, #4 and #5 on your engine.

 

[not so famous bob]

I found this in my files.

Tim Borrall manifold test


#1 your head port 4 or 5 slightly cleaned up with no intake on it

#2 your head w/ OOTB 440 RPM intake

#3 your head w/ ported 440 RPM intake. This intake made 640 LB-FT and 627 HP on a 496 stroker with a bigger solid street roller but with heads that only flowed 292 cfm @ .500” and 309 cfm @ .600”. Again, your head is in column #1

#4 your head w/ ported 6-pack intake

#5 your head w/ported Victor 440 intake, slight mismatch as the intake opening was bigger than your head port opening (wrong way mismatch).


Lift...........#1............#2..........#3...........#4...........#5

.100..........77...........77...........77..........77...........77

.200........157..........157........155.........156.........153

.300........228..........217........224.........222.........230

.400........283..........246........264.........262.........279

.500........328..........270........286 ........291.........312

.600........341..........276........297.........295.........326

.700........337..........284........309.........301.........332

So we’ll test combinations #3, #4 and #5 on your engine.

the victor is pretty darn good, everything I`VE READ SAYS SO TOO. TOO BAD I don`t have room for one. I sold a brand new never installed for $200, which is what I gave for it.