Why Does the Engine in My 64 Belvedere Set So Far Forward

[MCODECUDA]

I’m having issues with my 440 with a clutch fan touching my radiator. First her are a few facts. I’m already using a Hayden 2947 clutch fan which is the shortest clutch fans available. I can’t get the factory 3 core radiator in without the clutch fan scraping the radiator. Both the tank and the fins hit. I can not install the clutch fan after the radiator is installed because you can’t get the clutch over the water pump shaft. My future plan is to buy a new Glenray radiator for the car but I’m not about to install one with this clearance issue. I have friends with a ‘64 Fury and a ‘65 Coronet that are running similar setups and their motors set 3/8” farther back than mine and all three cars of our cars are using the factory correct K-frames, transmission mounts and motor mounts. I’ve looked at everything and there’s nothing that looks out of place that could cause this.

 

[64 Sportfury]

I started with the Mopar 5 blade clutch fan kit and found it in my 64 Plymouth. My radiator has four rows of core. I ended up using Hayden 2765 (Jaguar) clutch which left me with 1/2" clearance. This set up has been on the my engine (Hemi) for over 10 yrs.

 

[64 Sportfury]

Rock Auto appears to have the best price.

 

[dvw]

The engines in these cars all set very close. If you look closely at the core support, you will see it is notched at the top. The factory radiator is soldered to the brackets with them at a slight angle. It sets the radiator further ahead slightly on the drivers side for more clearance. These cars never had clutch fans from the factory. Look close at the drivers side of the core support. Near the radiator mounting bolt. That is the notch.
Doug

 

[BeepBeepRR]

The one you have has a dimension of

Overall Height (IN)

2.71

The 2765 is I used this same one on the Road Runner I was having fan issues as well. Its the Jaguar clutch fan.

Overall Height (IN)

2.67

 

[hofferwood]

Hayden 2765 (Jaguar) clutch is what I ended up using.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000C3BAYK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[RemCharger]

It's like the welcome wagon for 64 guys

 

[MCODECUDA]

I started with the Mopar 5 blade clutch fan kit and found it in my 64 Plymouth. My radiator has four rows of core. I ended up using Hayden 2765 (Jaguar) clutch which left me with 1/2" clearance. This set up has been on the my engine (Hemi) for over 10 yrs.

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Thanks, I’ll check with Hayden tomorrow but I’m still looking to find out why my engine sets so far forward.

 

[pnora]

Thanks, I’ll check with Hayden tomorrow but I’m still looking to find out why my engine sets so far forward.

Post some pictures and maybe someone can see something? Also take pics of the radiator and its mounting.

 

[QuickBpBp]

Factory motor mount brackets or aftermarket? Ever involved in a front end collision or rust repair with engine pans and rad support?

 

[BeepBeepRR]

Are the engine mounts forward of the block tabs or behind the block tabs?

This picture they are behind the tabs which is the way its supposed to be.

Not real sure if its even possible to mount them in front of the tabs but I guess anything is possible.

 

[GTX JOHN]

Back in the 60's, In my 64 Max Wedge stocker, I put a 66up K member in
it. That moved the engine back. It let me put a later Hemi Oil pan
on it and gave me better weight distribution.

Only issue is I had to do a minor amount of firewall massaging it get crossram
to fit.

60 years later = I think it is too late for NHRA to suspend me a year for that!

 

[MCODECUDA]

Are the engine mounts forward of the block tabs or behind the block tabs?

This picture they are behind the tabs which is the way its supposed to be.

Not real sure if its even possible to mount them in front of the tabs but I guess anything is possible.

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Mopar made the tabs and moto mounts idiot proof. There’s no way to mount them incorrectly.

 

[MCODECUDA]

Factory motor mount brackets or aftermarket? Ever involved in a front end collision or rust repair with engine pans and rad support?

Brackets and isolators are factory copies from Schumacher. No rust repairs or collisions ever.

 

[RemCharger]

Fwiw on my 67 and 64 bracket cars, same electric fan, same radiator. I had to mount the fan on the front of the 64( as most people are forced to) and it cools way worse than the 67. Puller fans are the way to go. I have a slim flex lite setup I'll eventually try on the 64

 

[MCODECUDA]

Back in the 60's, In my 64 Max Wedge stocker, I put a 66up K member in
it. That moved the engine back. It let me put a later Hemi Oil pan
on it and gave me better weight distribution.

Only issue is I had to do a minor amount of firewall massaging it get crossram
to fit.

60 years later = I think it is too late for NHRA to suspend me a year for that!

I’m going to turn around the tranny mount to see if that makes any difference.

 

[EARLY B]

66 up kmember will move engine back 1 5/8"