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440 Valvetrain Issues.....Questions

There are several ways
one goal is to minimize sweep across the valve stem, upi want the narrowest pattern
being in the center does not really matter unless really near the edge as roller converts the force to straight down as opposed to iron rocker
one easy check is to put a valve in the head and raise it to half net lift (less lash if solid cam) put a clothes pin or worm gear clamp on an old stems seal and clamp it down
play with the shaft and rocker till your get the centerline tangent to the valve (at right angles) you can also place the roller (or iron contact point) in the center of the stem and measure the shafts new location.
make shims
notice how a change in lift would slightly change the location- and that intake and ex may be different
not a big deal
when you have the cam and a lifter in put it on the base circle with valve closed and measure for pushrods

If the head and head gasket are on drop a lifter (or a pair) in, put in an adjustable pushrod(s) rocker (s) on a shaft and sit gently on stands
turn the motor over till the cam is at half lift (net)
secure valve as above
adjust the pushrod till the rocker centerlines are tangent to your half lift valve- measure for shim
either of the above compensates for long or sunken valves or lash caps, or a reduced base circle
for a stock lift (sorta) cam just make the shim about half the roller (.400) for a roller rocker- no adjustment necessary for iron (unless base circle is cut down)
put a checking pushrod and check pushrod length
post up some photos
 
Those are shown in the pictures on his site but he doesn't have them listed for sale anywhere.

440 Source. I have these for sale.
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Your problem is not valve train geometry
 
Your problem is not valve train geometry
I agree. How long have .500 lift cams been bolted to 906 heads? Years. Is the geometry ideal, no. Do they go down the track? Yes. If the head was designed for .400 lift at the valve by going to .600 lift the shaft is going to be to high by roughly .100". This is if it was ever correct in the first place. Sub quality parts will cause issues for sure. I think your locks were of poor quality. There appears to be a lack of oil to certain areas. The lack of oil could have caused the rocker damage, or maybe soft material as well. No way I would let the locks touch as stated above. A recepie for disaster in my book. Take your time, investigate your options and make your best choice.
Doug
 
Your problem is not valve train geometry

I tend to agree. You can see my video of the top end lubrication. The valve tips were getting plenty of oil yet the rockers arms wore. The valves tips look brand new. My concern is the end two pushrods. Oil was getting everywhere else in the heads but the end pushrods only on that side....why? Oiling galleys in the head and rocker shafts were clear as were the rocker arms.

The valve locks were crap....getting replaced. New springs going in better suited to my cam.
Old rockers wore, every one although some were worse than others....getting replaced.
 
Measured installed heights today. Between 1.934" and 1.940" so I ordered the .060" locators and shims to bring it down to 1.800". And the two locks I checked have a gap.
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Shims shown are used on stock and Iron rockers
rollers need the thicker ones, preferably with some offset
 
Did those al rockers run on Hard Chrome shafts?
better when bronzed bushed
 
Shims shown are used on stock and Iron rockers
rollers need the thicker ones, preferably with some offset

I didn't check closely but the rocker kit from Hughes has the shims included so I don't know just what they look like.

Did those al rockers run on Hard Chrome shafts?
better when bronzed bushed

The shafts are what came with the rockers as well, I'm not sure how they are treated.
 
I didn't check closely but the rocker kit from Hughes has the shims included so I don't know just what they look like.



The shafts are what came with the rockers as well, I'm not sure how they are treated.

you could get them Rockwell hardness checked- is a cheap test and ask the vendor and let us know
 
I received my locators and shims so I started setting up my springs. I am using spring steel for increments below .015"

IQ52 recommended to set these springs up at 1.800" installed height. 1.175" coil bind height subtracted leaves .625" max lift. Minus .010" lash (exhaust is .012") = .635"

Intake lift is .558" subtracted from .635" = .077" and exhaust lift of .564" subtracted from .635" = .071"

Viton valve seals are .710" from bottom of retainer with valve on the seat. Plenty of room inside the small spring.

Anyone see any issues with my math?
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New next to old...
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Small update:
Finally got a RMA number from Crane after hounding them so I'll be sending the rocker arms back. They never did say what their plan is but they want to look at them first.

All springs are installed at 1.800" +/-.002

And I am waiting on my B3R spacer kit to be made and shipped, was told next week. For anyone interested, the kit is $200 shipped and includes new holddowns milled offset to match the spacers. The shafts need to have an offset cut on the 5 mounting holes approx .100" so I am having a friend with a mill make the cuts.
 
So much fun waiting for parts isn't it?
I'm getting concerned this generation of ductiles aren't up to the task. Would be nice if crane tests them and let you what happened. Doubtful we will ever know.
 
So much fun waiting for parts isn't it?
I'm getting concerned this generation of ductiles aren't up to the task. Would be nice if crane tests them and let you what happened. Doubtful we will ever know.

Maybe, maybe not. When I called yesterday the tech told me the engineers were testing some arms and I asked what good would it do without testing the ones you sold over a year ago that wore? He got me the RMA a few minutes later lol.

Every one wore and I have good video of my engine running pouring oil on the rocker tips. I would be hesitant to try them again with these spring pressures.
 
Received my B3Racing spacer kit yesterday. Came with the spacers, offset rocker shaft hold downs and bolts.
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Before...
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After...
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And the geometry with the valve closed and open looks much better...

Valve closed...
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Valve open...
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I ordered my pushrods from Smith Bros. yesterday as well so should have them here by Monday at the latest.
 
Looks like a work of art!
 
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